Name Deaths Corp Corp Name
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Cruncher, Deaths = 3, Member of Corp #1 / iSilver Surfers
Xanos, Deaths = 8, Member of Corp #1 / iSilver Surfers
Epicenter, Deaths = 8, Member of Corp #1 / iSilver Surfers
T.R. Edwards, Deaths = 5, Member of Corp #1 / iSilver Surfers
T0yman, Deaths = 4, Member of Corp #1 / iSilver Surfers

Big D, Deaths = 2, Member of Corp #2 / Ground Zero
locutus, Deaths = 9, Member of Corp #2 / Ground Zero
Farley, Deaths = 2, Member of Corp #2 / Ground Zero
Thebutcher, Deaths = 5, Member of Corp #2 / Ground Zero
The Bounty Hunter, Deaths = 0, Member of Corp #2 / Ground Zero

Kewlbreeze, Deaths = 2, Member of Corp #3 / Team Kraaken
Caretaker, Deaths = 1, Member of Corp #3 / Team Kraaken
Zep, Deaths = 5, Member of Corp #3 / Team Kraaken
Orion, Deaths = 4, Member of Corp #3 / Team Kraaken
Baz, Deaths = 1, Member of Corp #3 / Team Kraaken

<==> C1 deaths = 28
<==> C2 deaths = 18
<==> C3 deaths = 13

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The Script was ran @ 00:30, / 28:12:2011
TWGS 1.03 - Game has been running 27 Days!

Im not sure what was said... but my 2 cents is ... On my screen (I have no proof anymore) but it does not show him lifting off the planet at any time... actually all corpies said he didnt lift off...but again i have no proof anymore...

There are a few ways that a player might pop off of a planet in v1.03. As far as I know, they're all fixed in v2. If anyone experiences this problem in the current version, let me know and I'll get it fixed.

I appreciate your input orion.
Fact is there are any number of "bugs" in the game which can cause a player to lift from a cit. KB has been so bold as to call these features at times.
I can not, and will not be policing bugs in a tournament, nor any other game. The death count we're letting the game run as it runs, and letting a player back into the game for deaths 9-infinity intill he is SD because the game allows it.
If I give KB back his assets, I'd have to do the same to Locutis who experienced this just moments before KB did, which would actually put him back in the game. Yet he's not creating a stink about this. Their team has been both helpful, and understanding of my decision, and even stand in agreement with me.
Then we open up all the other times players have claimed that "the
BOT" made me lift. Was it the BOT or a Bug? I don't have the time to research this out, and there is no way I can start giving back assets to players who have experienced this, and not have doubts about my being fair in the whole process
JP confirmed to me that there are these bugs and also feels I made the correct decision, I'm still waiting on Vulcans input.
I stand by my decision. It's the way the "features" operate, and simply part of the game. If this were V2 software things might be different, but this version we've played for years, and players have themselves said, all bugs are known.

LOL, can I have mine back too, I meant to type CRY. 1.03 is known for aborting a losing messages, that's why JP has been releasing a new updated version, currently @ 2.16.

Surely you jest... haha

Based on any info nothing should be returned, all part of the game. Next then you have to return all figs/fuel/lives that GZ took in the same battle. Part of the game, put on your big boy pants and get back in the game.

Of course because you clearly can't see things his way!!

You are demonstrating a serious lack of compassion for a disturbed player, all the worse for this time of year ; )

Correct me if I'm wrong:

1. I gather that KB was one of those who insisted that BOTE should be banged with this particular version.
2. KB has publicly boasted of his prowess in bug detection and usage.
3. KB has publicly refused to divulge knowledge of said bugs to the developer.
4. KB now claims that a bug has bitten him in the rear end.

Maybe there really is a God?

Never much saw eye to eye with you RP, but good call.

I've made a reply to KB on his forum, but not everybody weeds through the chat over there, so I am cross posting it here. I know KB can read it here, so if you reply you can reply to myself or KB. I"m sure it will make it to him.



I know you can read it, and if you wanted to get a reply in there you know members that can.
I also didn't want to post here right away, because I felt it was pointless to argue with you.
I posted there because most of the rest of the players still have access, and cool heads, and I wanted to let them know there was a potential problem in the game, and how I'd handled it, so that I could also see what the reaction was from those players. Sofar, nobody but you has said I made the wrong call. I've explained my reasons to you, and you refuse to accept the decision, that's your choice, but it's the way it's going to be.



You asked me to ask butcher. He didn't imediatly respond to my hail, but did about the time you requested the group. I see no reason to hash this out in a group session. I very calmly asked Butcher his side, as you asked me to, and he sent me his logs which did show that you were in sector when he hit you. That was the only thing I needed from him. He did admit that seemingly the same thing happened to Loc and that has knocked him out of the game. Yet he wasn't requesting his turns back either.


You asked, I told you I couldn't return your turns or deaths back, and then you started demanding that I get the CEO (who is that anyways) and copying my rule back into our chat,..

12. We can establish a neutral arbitrator for this game prior to the tournament start date if desired. In the case of a dispute, all information will be passed to the arbitrator or gameop for their review. This will include any game logs, screen captures submitted, and any other relative information to assist with the review. Once the arbitrator has made their decision, it is final. The arbitrator will ensure that decisions made are based on fact, and not on their opinion or views.

The interesting fact is this states prior to the tournament start date, and nobody requested that one be established. I did ask Vulcan to help me with the game START, and if he's willing to weigh in on this I welcome his input, but there is no arbitrator other than me that was established prior to the start of this game.



Color, text, word of mouth, it doesn't matter. This is a game bug in version 1.03 TWGS which you said BOTE had to be played on. You so proudly call these features, and boast how players know all the bugs, and at least know how to deal with them. Umm, guess you knew this could happen and how do deal with it. We already set a presidence by allowing the game mechanics to deal with the death count the way the software works. I'm saying, as this was a game mechanics issue, and it's on a version of the TWGS that team Kraaken had to have if they were to play this game, Then let the game run accordingly. I also explained how there is NO way to deal with this any other way. If I return your deaths and turns, then I'm sure others will feel their entitled to reimbursment as well, and there is no way to judge who get, and who doesn't and not have that looked at as favoritism in the end.




Want me to post our ICQ chat?
When you start not accepting my answer to your request, and start telling me to get in the CEO and to ask Vulcan, and telling me that I dont' know how to read text files, and now telling me that I demanded this edit, am I not going to take this as you're not accepting my judgement? Your words since have backed up what I was saying then. You've already threatened again! Read below,..




I've called twice today already, Vulcan doesn't seem to be home.



Our ICQ Chat:




You obviously read it didn't you, so I didn't hide it did I? Once again your attitude shows through. I also responded here, when I have the time to. This is a game, not life or death. I have a real life to live, and the game doesnt' ALWAYS get first priority. You come to me last night at 11pm with all this, and I"ve done my best. I couldn't respond to you here right away, but here you go.

finally something entertaining in the forums!

anyway..
is it usual practice for the op to tedit a game because of bugs?

i thought this was unheard of. especially in a tourny.. ??

It is unheard of, and KB knows that. You made the correct decision RP.

C1 has not whined about anything, we are taking our losses like real players and not complaining or making excuses. You want to worry about whining try looking at KB, not us! He loses 1 ship and a Pod and goes crying about it demanding to get items returned to the gameop... LOL
We will play to the bitter end, no bitching whining or complaining. And most of all NO EXCUSES!

I know RP well enough to know he would do the right thing so we had nothing to worry about.

Thats not 100% true, Maybe not the bitching and whining, but ALOT of excuses!!! "Scripts fault,Macros fault, mombots fault,Epics fault, I was told to do that, hit the wrong key" The list could go on:]

Thought you were banned.

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-I write a bad script/macro/hit wrong key and the result does not come out correctly, the only excuse is I wrote a bad script/macro/wrong key and probably should have tested more. IT HAPPENS
-TR got popped from bad code in M()MBot, not my code. Nobody complained, we were ask what happened and we explained. The Bounty Hunter made a couple fixes to M()MBot to correct the issue.
No big deal your allowed 7 mistakes before it becomes an issue.
-No one can tell you why or how Epi died, since he can't seem to provide log files I would just guess he typed something wrong or loaded the wrong script at the wrong time. He was at the keys and probably should have fixed it, no idea since I don't have any more details.
Bot's do have issues (to many variations floating around) and we work them out as we go and mistakes will and can happen all the time. If we find a bug in the game software or the bot we're using we report it so that it can be fixed, but what has happened is done and over. We just try not to make the same ones more than once. Unfortunately that rarely happens, we are not a perma corp just some friends that got together to play a game we enjoy. And in the end when/if we get our butts handed to us we can look back and say we had fun.
If someone asks what happened and we tell them but you take it as we're making excuses, nope we did something that got a bad result. Find the problem and fix it. We have wrote a lot of code to correct things we have found to be ready for the next game.
The NO EXCUSES part is you won't hear us at the end telling RP he should have fixed something that is a known bug in the game software that we willingly accepted to play.

Can't ban him, he was the 6th or 7th member of Boo! inc, the oldest TW permacorp.

You crack me up. I personally made one big boo-boo, and I owned up to it. Not an excuse, an admission of error on my part.

Like Toyman said, there have been script issued etc. These are not excuses, just statements of facts. Facts are - Epi lost his ISP. He took his laptop to a wifi hotspot, did not bring his power cord and ran out of juice just before extern. I told him I was not going to be at the keys that evening. Every player on the team has to take responsibility for his/her own actions. This is just a game... we laugh hardest at our own mistakes.

At the end of the day, we're not stressing over the game, we're having fun playing a game we enjoy.