I posted this same thing below in the other forum.

If you are all about tradition Butcher, then you also should know you learn things from the warefare of the past and can apply that to the warfare to today for if you don't remember the lessons of the past you are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, no matter what the warefare of today is. These words come from General George S. Patton. I also am a Navy man, and well aquainted with the traditions. I do however have a question for you Butcher: Are you a Shellback? If you are then you should know the appropriate answer.

For the others that question is just for fun and between sailors who know what it means.

But the statement before that holds true in any content, you have to know the history and have the ability to use that history to apply to any situation of today to be able to have the full ramifications of any situation, and yes the tactics sometimes do change in battle, but without the knowing the past, how would you begin to know how to change those tactics, things can always be learned from the past, that is why the military has their wargames and such to play out past scenarios, present scenarios, and possible future scenarios, to see what tactics will work and where they will work. Because sometimes even in todays warfare tactics you will find that something from the past may work better, and there are many different tactics from many different wars that work for todays time. as for instance some of what is used in what is going on today was used in early to mid Viet Nam and were adapted for tactics for today. As well as some from WWII, good tactics never die, they get used where they are needed and where they fit in, in the grand scheme of things.

The same can be said for the BOTE as well, traditions are things that should be preserved, for without them then what is the point.

Vulcan.

You guys are confusing real life with a 25 year old BBS text game! LOL

You can host and play all the modern edits you want. Is Big D still going to host the Ice Tournament? Does he still have a server with valid codes? Why don't you guys worry about your more modern edit January tournament and stop making idol threats about who may or may not be playing B.O.T.E. next year and what the settings should be.

B.O.T.E. Is one one annual event that tests your skills on a stock edit. IMHO the stock edit is the one most everyone knows the best. If we get this back to what it once was, with teams coming from multiple servers rather than just a couple of perma corps, then the stock edit makes sense. Not every player is experienced in every edit, so using the stock edit levels the field and now only the player skills are tested.

And, it's going to be up to the sysops to actively recruit teams from their servers. Vulcan said he would like to sponsor a team next year. I think this is where it's going to have to start, with the sysops promoting and encouraging teams.

It's going to be interesting to see who wins this year.

Well put vulcan, iam not a shell back because iam a dirt sailor (seabee) the chance of me being on a ship are slim, but With todays rules, the shellback tradition is considered hazing, and isnt actually the same as when you went throw it!!! Same with chief initiation , these are tradition that have been changed and altered to fit in with todays rules and regulations!!! So your right we learn from the pass and aply it to the future, ithink we need todo the same with BOTE! Iam not saying completely do away with the edit, iam say tweak it to fit todays play. Iam sure many more traders agree with me!

Thats YOUR point of view on what the BOTE means!! Key word is YOURS. IMHO the bote should be the best of the best come together once a year for a "no holds bar" so basically in my view you have no buisness even being in the BOTE!!!! cut and dry! Iam pretty sure other see it the same way!.

TheButcher
Ground Zero Member

I can agree with your last statement here and thanks for the info on you being a SeeBee, nothing wrong with that my best friend from school went into the Navy with me and he wound up in the SeeBee's His name is Tim Payne. Me I went into the avaition, then wound up on the teams, as a liason to them due to my particular expertise. It was fun, in my time I did you you guys do now, but in my time it wasn't publically known about what we did.

Vulcan

IMHO the bote should be the best of the best come together once a year for a "no holds bar" so basically in my view you have no buisness even being in the BOTE!!!! cut and dry! Iam pretty sure other see it the same way!.

TheButcher
Ground Zero Member

So, in your opinion, just two teams belong in the BOTE?

The original intent, back in the dial-up bbs days was to bring the best team from each server to one central game. The first bote had 15 teams of 6 for a total of 90 players in a 5k universe.

Were the skill level of each team equal to each other team, NO. Each team was the best players from each server. Each sysop had their own method of choosing players for the BOTE, and most often, those players had never before corped together.

So it was a melding of teams from around the globe with members who had most likely never all corped together before. The stock edit was, and continues to be the "vanilla" on which the various teams are playing. Each player knows how to play stock, but to be able to form a working team and succeed at winning against all others, now that's what the BOTE is all about.

A few of teams in the first BOTE could not survive their own personality/egos and self-destructed from within. BOTE was never about perma corps, well oiled killing machines. I'm glad to see Kraaken taking a new player (to their team) under their wing for the game.

So, in your opinion, just two teams belong in the BOTE?

The original intent, back in the dial-up bbs days was to bring the best team from each server to one central game. The first bote had 15 teams of 6 for a total of 90 players in a 5k universe.

Were the skill level of each team equal to each other team, NO. Each team was the best players from each server. Each sysop had their own method of choosing players for the BOTE, and most often, those players had never before corped together.

So it was a melding of teams from around the globe with members who had most likely never all corped together before. The stock edit was, and continues to be the "vanilla" on which the various teams are playing. Each player knows how to play stock, but to be able to form a working team and succeed at winning against all others, now that's what the BOTE is all about.

A few of teams in the first BOTE could not survive their own personality/egos and self-destructed from within. BOTE was never about perma corps, well oiled killing machines. I'm glad to see Kraaken taking a new player (to their team) under their wing for the game.

this is my first game with GZ too.. think im gonna get voted off the island

For all we know Vulcan has been playing on some unknown server in Guam,.. Oh wait, we have one there, how about Alaska, nope there too,..
Point is we don't know where people play. Just because their rusty doesnt' mean they shouldn't participate. Half of those in this years game had to shake off some rust.
It is as you say intended to be the best playing against the best, but if you never step up to the plate, you're never gonna score a home run.

Again this isnt the dial up days cruncher!!!!!

this is my first game with GZ too.. think im gonna get voted off the island

You're assuming she's not using one!