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Unread post ProZTM 4.0 / 20k ZTM approx 5 Hours
Due to a large amount of rewrites and performance enhancements to ProZTM30, I am now releasing ProZTM version 4 as a Beta version. I have been working on it long enough, and the remaining work will be code efficiency and fixing any reported bugs. At some point you just have to kick a script out.

ProZTM 4.0 is complete and will be posted at: http://www.grimytrader.com and on http://www.navhaz.com before midnight Central on 12/07.


Performance

20k Sub Zero Edit with 52595 Warps
Started ZTM in Sector 1, with No Movement (CIM adavantage removed)
Warp Spec written after 1st Pass
Monitoring: Who's Online, Warps Found, 7 Warps-In
(slows it down)

Start Time: 17:04:22
Pass Time Required Warps Accuracy Elapsed Time Time
1 1:13:58 46183 87.808% 1:13:58 18:18:30
2 0:56:35 50088 95.233% 2:10:43 19:15:05
3 2:43:42 52471 99.764% 4:54:25 21:58:47
4 0:06:48
52589 99.998% 5:01:15 22:05:35

Note: Pass 1 uses an adaptive plotting method, and you may think,
based on the percent complete display, that it will take a
lot longer than the time above to finish,it won't. It may
take a few minutes longer depending on some factors, but
not to the extent you will be thinking.

Features

1. Bot friendly using a 10 second delay to run default settings

2. Restarts after a disconnect (you need your own relog script)

3. Option to save the warp spec after the first pass to a file.
This allows you to complete the first pass, automatically
create the warp spec, resume your ZTM, and allow you to email
the file to a corpie. Saved as (game name)warpSpec.txt.

4. SS warp spec send option when the ztm is completed. SS stays
active until killed. Option is automatic in bot or default
mode. Please make sure you have SS set. ;)

5. Ability to have corpies ZTM part of the universe (first selects
1 - xx, second selects xx to xxx, third selects xxx to SECTORS).

6. Option to view warps found during ZTM. This allows the user
to determine if they have found enough warps for whatever they
are wanting to do. The script will resume where it was stopped.

7. Option to view 7 warps-in found during 1st two passes.

8. Option to show who is online during ZTM interogation mode.

9. Computer or interogation mode (tested mainly with int mode).

10. Skips explored sectors to speed the ZTM up.

11. Data Options:
a. Write dead-end list.
b. Write 7 warps-in list.
c. Write SWATH warp data.
(Note SWATH updates when you run the ZTM this is
provided in the event a corpie only has SWATH)
d. Write a traffic analysis showing high traffic sectors
(Very high traffic may indicate a large bubble passes
through the sector).

12. Universe stats window showing the breakdown by number of sectors
with x warps out.

Bug Fixes:

Additional windows opening on relog after a dropped connection.
Corp/split ztm mode, DE check checking all sectors.


Since this script is a major change in the previous versions, I would appreciate notfication of any bugs that might have wandered in. I can only improve the script with input from the users as testing all possible configurations would take a major time investment (and I have a LOT of hours already invested in ZTMs). I am not complaining ;) as ZTM methods are interesting to me and have been a lot of fun, and sometimes frustration, in trying to figure out.

My thanks go to ElderProphet for getting me looking into plot:warp efficiency and to Sing for suggesting a way to work with the void loop that caused me to explore another way to work the 2nd pass.

What is left for future updates? An improved/faster traffic analysis and who knows what else. I didn't think I could improve the script much over proZTM14A to be honest. I personally think version 4.0 is the best ZTM I have written and hopefully it is relatively bug free, but time will tell.

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Elapsed Time ='s 5:30mins (3 Passes)
Pass 1: 0 Warps Found
Pass 2: 52xxx Warps Found
Pass 3: 52xxx Warps Found
Warp Spec Data Written
---------------------------------------
ProZtm4 did not AutoResume
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Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9311] (?=Help)? :
ProZTM 4.0 resuming in 10 seconds.
:

It ran ^I and did 1 plot then hung up and eventually returned to the command prompt and ran a keep alive till I timed out. Looks like it finished but it never ran pass 4 or 5.

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Unread post Re: ProZTM 4.0 / 20k ZTM approx 5 Hours
Has anyone checked on the method used by Twassist? It will typically get within 5 or 6 warps of the Observer total, within 50 minutes for a 5k bang. Unfortunately cant handle more than 5k, but the methodology should be the same.

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Kaus wrote:
Elapsed Time ='s 5:30mins (3 Passes)
Pass 1: 0 Warps Found
Pass 2: 52xxx Warps Found
Pass 3: 52xxx Warps Found
Warp Spec Data Written
---------------------------------------
ProZtm4 did not AutoResume
Code:

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9311] (?=Help)? :
ProZTM 4.0 resuming in 10 seconds.
:

It ran ^I and did 1 plot then hung up and eventually returned to the command prompt and ran a keep alive till I timed out. Looks like it finished but it never ran pass 4 or 5.


Pass 5 will not run in the release version. I should have taken that part out of the window. With it getting to a keep alive, it should have finished pass 4 (has to check that before going to the keep alive). I will prob need to change where pass 4 updates the window. You should show 52,642 warps found for that game.

[Edit] I have fixed the pass 4 info on a relog... the label that it jumps to when a relog occurs and the pass was finished was a few lines below where it should have been. Thanks Kaus for letting me know. [/Edit]

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Mad Mick wrote:
Has anyone checked on the method used by Twassist? It will typically get within 5 or 6 warps of the Observer total, within 50 minutes for a 5k bang. Unfortunately cant handle more than 5k, but the methodology should be the same.

Kav


I've never seen TWassist. It would be interesting to see what it is doing, or should say appear to being doing. It is hard to see what a script is targeting from just watching sometimes. The 5k bang, stock with just sectors changed, hit 100%. I haven't tested against a 5k since I made the adaptive plot change and pass 2 change. I do believe the adaptive needs to be more "adaptive" instead of hard coding the break point.

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Unread post Re: ProZTM 4.0 / 20k ZTM approx 5 Hours
I looked briefly at TWAssist's technique in the distant past, and didn't find it to be that accurate. I may have been trying it against gold bubbles though. It did queue hundreds of plot requests on the server though, which both helps and hurts speed. The server never waits for the next plot request, but it's making some plots that will be unnecessary by the time they occur because of what might be revealed in an earlier plot. I always try to keep 2-3 plots queued, since more can only have a negative impact.

I'd be interested to see the results from TWAssist against a normal 5k universe, both the time and the accuracy.

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I used it in a couple of Gold bubble games, it found the bubbles OK but I never checked the accuracy. The speed depends on how many course plots you make before updating the data base, I usually sent 400 at a time. If you continue until "no new warps from last extract", all done.
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Was that before, or after, the plot delay was added?

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Singularity wrote:
Was that before, or after, the plot delay was added?


Last time I played would have been early 2007. You can download twassist at
http://web.archive.org/web/200503060828 ... WAST23.ZIP

TWGS course plot is different from the original tw2002, and needs to be edited for twassist to read. If the course plot is more than one line, TWGS adds a space at the start of all lines after the first. Your script will have to strip the leading space as twassist does not see it as whitespace. Then you have to restore the leading space on the TO> line.

EDIT
- use twassist automode commands in the script to get the plots from twassist, and to update the database.
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Mad Mick wrote:
Singularity wrote:
Was that before, or after, the plot delay was added?


Last time I played would have been early 2007. You can download twassist at
http://web.archive.org/web/200503060828 ... WAST23.ZIP

TWGS course plot is different from the original tw2002, and needs to be edited for twassist to read. If the course plot is more than one line, TWGS adds a space at the start of all lines after the first. Your script will have to strip the leading space as twassist does not see it as whitespace. Then you have to restore the leading space on the TO> line.

EDIT
- use twassist automode commands in the script to get the plots from twassist, and to update the database.
Kav


let us not forget this program only works for a 5K universe.


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Space Ghost wrote:
Mad Mick wrote:
Singularity wrote:
Was that before, or after, the plot delay was added?


Last time I played would have been early 2007. You can download twassist at
http://web.archive.org/web/200503060828 ... WAST23.ZIP

TWGS course plot is different from the original tw2002, and needs to be edited for twassist to read. If the course plot is more than one line, TWGS adds a space at the start of all lines after the first. Your script will have to strip the leading space as twassist does not see it as whitespace. Then you have to restore the leading space on the TO> line.

EDIT
- use twassist automode commands in the script to get the plots from twassist, and to update the database.
Kav


let us not forget this program only works for a 5K universe.


No offense intended; SG did you even read the thread?

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Unread post Re: ProZTM 4.0 / 20k ZTM approx 5 Hours
Nod, SG. (grumble - that's one of the reasons I didnt restart playing yet)

My thought was that if it is more accurate/faster than other ZTM's, someone might like to examine the methodology and duplicate it for >5K maps.

It has a lot more going for it than just mapping, as I guess you remember. That and Telix SALT is pretty much all I ever used.

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Kaus wrote:
Space Ghost wrote:
Mad Mick wrote:
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Last time I played would have been early 2007. You can download twassist at
http://web.archive.org/web/200503060828 ... WAST23.ZIP

TWGS course plot is different from the original tw2002, and needs to be edited for twassist to read. If the course plot is more than one line, TWGS adds a space at the start of all lines after the first. Your script will have to strip the leading space as twassist does not see it as whitespace. Then you have to restore the leading space on the TO> line.

EDIT
- use twassist automode commands in the script to get the plots from twassist, and to update the database.
Kav


let us not forget this program only works for a 5K universe.


No offense intended; SG did you even read the thread?


No Offense taken..I read Every thread at Classic..I escpecially pay attention when someone like Kav posts ( aka mad mick ) Because he is a person whose opinion on mapping i respect...
We were Discussing in the thread ProZTM script and \Kav asked prom if he comparted it to the logic process that a old program called TWASSIST used when it did ZTM. I was reminding Kav that TWASSIST didnt support games over 5000 sectors and therefore prolly wouldnt be used as much in todays game.(hence his responce to me)... Am i paying attention or am i lost with out a clue?


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Space Ghost wrote:
let us not forget this program only works for a 5K universe.

Space Ghost wrote:
No Offense taken..I read Every thread at Classic..I escpecially pay attention when someone like Kav posts ( aka mad mick ) Because he is a person whose opinion on mapping i respect...
We were Discussing in the thread ProZTM script and \Kav asked prom if he comparted it to the logic process that a old program called TWASSIST used when it did ZTM. I was reminding Kav that TWASSIST didnt support games over 5000 sectors and therefore prolly wouldnt be used as much in todays game.(hence his responce to me)... Am i paying attention or am i lost with out a clue?

Mad Mick wrote:
Has anyone checked on the method used by Twassist? It will typically get within 5 or 6 warps of the Observer total, within 50 minutes for a 5k bang. Unfortunately cant handle more than 5k, but the methodology should be the same.

Kav


At risk of getting this thread moved, I assumed you didn't read the thread because someone had allready stated what you did earlier in the thread and your post didn't contribute anything new. Sorry for the missunderstanding.

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Unread post Re: ProZTM 4.0 / 20k ZTM approx 5 Hours
I am having a problem getting ProZTM 4 to finish the run. It completes steps 1 and 2 with no problem on a 5000 sector universe. But at the beginning of step 3 it starts scrolling this endlessly and stays at 0% complete.

:
FM > 5
TO > 5000
5 > 1 > 2 > (8) > (2047) > (843) > (210) > (4810) > (4305) > (4829) > (4538) >
(5000)

I let it run for 30 minutes or more before stopping the script. I started it back up and it started the same thing again.

Any suggestions?


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