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Author:  Scrapperman [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Rob/Steal
Ok, I seem to be doing something wrong. I have read that the bust rate is 1/50 for stealing from ports. Which seems to be a very fluid number for me. Some days it is 1/50 but then the very next day it runs about 1/25. But what has gotten me more perplexed is the robbing of ports. I was at 16k exp and every time I rob at the 6*exp I get caught. So I lowered it to 2*exp which appeared to work for the first 15 or so times. But now im getting busted about every 8 to 10 times I rob. If I raise that rate any even to 3*exp im getting busted every other time. So basically what am I doing wrong? or is it the settings set by sysop? Do i need to use different ships? the one, three of them have well over 1k ports each and one is pushing 10k.
Author:  Archy [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
I don't remember the actual details... but here is a resource that may be of interest to you ..

http://www.tw-cabal.com/formulas.html
Author:  Cruncher [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Scrapperman wrote:
Ok, I seem to be doing something wrong. I have read that the bust rate is 1/50 for stealing from ports. Which seems to be a very fluid number for me. Some days it is 1/50 but then the very next day it runs about 1/25. But what has gotten me more perplexed is the robbing of ports. I was at 16k exp and every time I rob at the 6*exp I get caught. So I lowered it to 2*exp which appeared to work for the first 15 or so times. But now im getting busted about every 8 to 10 times I rob. If I raise that rate any even to 3*exp im getting busted every other time. So basically what am I doing wrong? or is it the settings set by sysop? Do i need to use different ships? the one, three of them have well over 1k ports each and one is pushing 10k.


That's a question that's taunted TW players forever! There's a total randomness to busting that no one can control, but you can increase your odds of success.

The information you need is located at the main game menu, type * to see the rob/steal settings of the game. You'll need to know if the game is in MBBS mode or classic.

If both rob and steal are set to 100%:
Classic door: rob=3%exp, steal=exp/30

If the settings are 50% rob, 70% steal:
MBBS mode: rob=6%exp, steal=exp/21

If MBBS Mode with Mega Rob bug enabled - you don't need experience, but you do need to max and buydown a port leaving 3.3 - 6.6M on the port then rob it all back at once with an additional 11%. So 3.3 + .11 = 3.7M rob all at once.

The only other thing necessary to rob and steal is an alignment of -100 or better.

If you're only mega robbing, your experience will keep increasing. If you are stealing your experience will stay around 8K - 16k. The higher your experience the greater your odds of busting.

If you find yourself slipping below max hold levels of experience, reserve some cash for planet busting.

http://www.tw-cabal.com/strategy/economy1.html

http://tradewars.fament.com/Cruncher/Formula.htm

Happy Crimes! :twisted:
Author:  Scrapperman [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Ok i went to the settings and the rob and steal rate is set at 120%. So can I get a explination of how that impacts what i'm trying to accomplish.
Author:  Astrochimp [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Scrapperman wrote:
Ok i went to the settings and the rob and steal rate is set at 120%. So can I get a explination of how that impacts what i'm trying to accomplish.


An explanation is at the link Archy posted. I didn't read everything Cruncher posted, but I'm betting she explains it as well.
Author:  Scrapperman [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Ah, slow reader. I saw it the second time thru. Thank you for your help.
Author:  Cruncher [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Scrapperman wrote:
Ah, slow reader. I saw it the second time thru. Thank you for your help.



Yeah, if they are messing with the default settings, then you need to get more creative.

"Anything else then you will need to apply this formula:
Rob: 3/(%set)= (x)% exp to rob
Steal: 30*(%set)=exp/(x) to steal
Replace the (%set) with what the game settings are, (x) is the product."

This is from my site.
Author:  ElderProphet [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Cruncher wrote:
If you're only mega robbing, your experience will keep increasing. If you are stealing your experience will stay around 8K - 16k. The higher your experience the greater your odds of busting.
There's some misinformation in this quote, as follows:

1) A megarob yields high EXP gains (and losses), yet it's subject to the same 1:50 bust odds, so strictly megarobbing should net large EXP gains.

2) Higher EXP does not increase the bust rate or odds, which that 2nd statement implies. If you're within the parameters spelled out by Traitor, the odds of busting are a random 1:50 chance - unaffected by high EXP.
Author:  Micro [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
ElderProphet wrote:
2) Higher EXP does not increase the bust rate or odds, which that 2nd statement implies. If you're within the parameters spelled out by Traitor, the odds of busting are a random 1:50 chance - unaffected by high EXP.
That's probably correct, but it sure seems like you bust more if your EXP is too high. I also wonder if certain Days have higher bust rates, 'cause I was busting 1:5 one day and it was back to normal the next day.
Author:  Astrochimp [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Micro wrote:
I also wonder if certain Days have higher bust rates, 'cause I was busting 1:5 one day and it was back to normal the next day.


I've heard other people speculate about certain days of the week being worse, but I'm pretty sure that's just a statistical effect.

If you flip a coin five times on a Monday, and it comes up heads every time, that doesn't mean the odds of flipping a head are higher than 1/2 on Mondays.

Of course, I don't have the source code so I can't say with certainty that you're wrong...
Author:  Cruncher [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
ElderProphet wrote:

2) Higher EXP does not increase the bust rate or odds, which that 2nd statement implies. If you're within the parameters spelled out by Traitor, the odds of busting are a random 1:50 chance - unaffected by high EXP.


I'll clarify - higher exp. increases bust rates when you are SST/SDT'ing. High exp. does not effect megarob busts.
Author:  TroyTiger [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
How do we tell if its in MBBS mode and mega-rob option is enabled?
Author:  Cruncher [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
TroyTiger wrote:
How do we tell if its in MBBS mode and mega-rob option is enabled?



From the game menu type * to see the game stats. MBBS compatability must be true, and Allow MBBS Megarob Bug = true:



==-- Trade Wars 2002 --==

T - Play Trade Wars 2002
I - Introduction & Help
S - View Game Settings
H - High scores
M - View Access Modes
A - View Announcement
X - Exit

Enter your choice: *
Game Stats:
[Version]
Major Version=3
Minor Version=35
[Access Schedule]
Range 1=All day: Multiplayer Access
[Bigbang Settings]
Gold Enabled=True
MBBS Compatibility=True
Bubbles=False
[General Info]
Start Day=10/18/41
Game Age=95 Days
Last Extern Day=01/17/42
Internal Aliens=True
Internal Ferrengi=True
Closed Game=False
Show Stardock=True
Turn Base=1,200 Turns
Time Online=360 Min
Inactive Time=300 Sec
Last Bust Clear Day=01/17/42
[Startup]
Initial Fighters=30
Initial Credits=300
Initial Holds=20
New Player Planets=True
[Settings]
Days Til Deletion=30 Days
Colonist Regen Rate=100000
Max Planet Sector=4
Max Corp Members=5
FedSpace Ship Limit=0
Photon Missile Duration=2 Sec
FedSpace Photons=False
Photons Disable Players=True
Cloak Fail Percent=3%
Debris Loss Percent=100%
Trade Percent=100%
Steal Buy=True
Production Rate=100
Max Production Regen=100
Multiple Photons=False
Clear Bust Days=1 Days
Steal Factor=70%
Rob Factor=50%
Port Production Max=32760
Radiation Lifetime=1 Days
Fighter Lock Decay=1,440 Min
Invincible Ferengal=False
MBBS Combat=True
Death Delay=True
Deaths Per Day=0
Startup Asset Dropoff=No dropoff
Show Whos Online=True
Interactive Sub-prompts=True
Allow Aliases=True
Alien Sleep Mode=Active
Allow MBBS MegaRob Bug=True
Max Terra Colonists=100000
Minimum Login Time=None
Turn Accumulation Days=2
Podless Captures=Always
Capture Fail Percent=0%
Max Bank Credits=500,000 cr
[Reports]
High Score Mode=At EXTERN
High Score Type=Values
Rankings Mode=At EXTERN
Rankings Type=Values + Titles
Entry Log Blackout=1 hour
Game Log Blackout=None
Port Report Delay=No Delay
[Emulation]
Input Bandwidth=1 Mps Broadband
Output Bandwidth=1 Mps Broadband
Latency=150 ms
[Timing]
Ship Delay=Constant (250 ms)
Planet Delay=None
Other Attacks Delay=None
EProbe Delay=None
Crime Delay=None
Photon Launch Delay=None
Photon Wave Delay=None
Genesis Launch Delay=None
IC Powerup Delay=None
PIG Powerup Delay=None
Planet Landing/Takeoff Delay=None
Port Dock/Depart Delay=None
Ship Transporter Delay=None
Planet Transporter Delay=None
Take/Drop Fighters Delay=None
Drop/Take Mines Delay=None
[Costs]
Tavern Announcement=100 cr
Limpet Removal=5,000 cr
Reregister Ship=5,000 cr
Citadel Transport Unit=50,000 cr
Citadel Transport Upgrade=25,000 cr
Genesis Torpedo=20,000 cr
Armid Mine=1,000 cr
Limpet Mine=10,000 cr
Beacon=100 cr
Type I TWarp=50,000 cr
Type II TWarp=80,000 cr
TWarp Upgrade=10,000 cr
Psychic Probe=10,000 cr
Planet Scanner=30,000 cr
Atomic Detonator=15,000 cr
Corbomite=1,000 cr
Ether Probe=3,000 cr
Photon Missile=40,000 cr
Cloaking Device=25,000 cr
Mine Disruptor=6,000 cr
Holographic Scanner=25,000 cr
Density Scanner=2,000 cr
[Universe]
Sectors=10000
Users=200
Aliens=50
Ships=800
Ports=7500
Planets=2000
Max Course Length=40
[Tournament]
Tournament Mode=0
Days To Enter=N/A
Lockout Mode=N/A
Max Times Blown Up=N/A
[Dynamic]
Local Game Time=01/17/42 08:16:32 AM
Active Players=6
Percent Players Good=66
Active Aliens=50
Percent Aliens Good=12
Active Ports=5262
Port Value=49016578
Active Planets=204
Percent Planet Citadels=89
Active Ships=21
Active Corps=2
Active Figs=8583645
Active Mines=1100
End Stats.
Author:  Mongoose [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Cruncher wrote:
I'll clarify - higher exp. increases bust rates when you are SST/SDT'ing. High exp. does not effect megarob busts.


I thought this had been disproved.
Author:  Astrochimp [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rob/Steal
Mongoose wrote:
Cruncher wrote:
I'll clarify - higher exp. increases bust rates when you are SST/SDT'ing. High exp. does not effect megarob busts.


I thought this had been disproved.


I don't get it either. As far as I know, bust rate is 1 in 50, as long as you have the cutoff experience (or greater) for the number of holds you are stealing.
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