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Author:  Shadow [ Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Hammer_2 wrote:
Cruncher wrote:


I've tried as well. I've seen him playing on my server and have invited him to corp but never get a response.

I haven't played with or against him, is he any good?


Well, he's still playing 2000 TW, so he's going to struggle against a corp for starters and some of the bot kill commands.

So he's probably good if your playing stock without bots and it's a solo game.. but what games are like this?


More importantly, why WOULD you play like that?

Unless you're on Cruncher's server. Which, again, why would you be?

Cruncher's server is, and has been for years, a factory for cannon fodder in actual tradewars games (you know, the ones not on her server). She offers her own little Pleasantville, free of nasty ideas and nasty people and always sunny with rainbows and unicorns. Then, her little nooblings venture out into the real world and are promptly annihilated repeatedly until they give up.

To summarize that a little, Cruncher's server is why there are so few people playing tradewars anymore -- because people go and play in a nice safe little box, never learn any actual real world skills, and then get frustrated and quit.

When I first came back, I took my licks for a while (mostly from CBYnot) and it motivated me to try harder and get better. I got some advice from some sysops and better players, and eventually learned about the bot. You can all thank Xanos for that, believe it or not - I was in a random game where they needed an extra player and I had never used mombot, and he told me to download and install it if I was going to corp with them (just that one time), and life was forever altered.

Then I ran into Farley, and found my own whipping boy, which was fun. I mean, eventually you do get tired of killing Farley, but it's entertaining for a while.

Most of the other players that I play with and know who came back recently took a similar path. Get beat up, come back, find someone to teach you the ropes, get better, start beating up on other people. That's what tradewars is, fundamentally. And if you can actually write code, then you become a serious player.

Speaking of which... this is where the Crunchers of the world get it the most wrong. If there were no twx, no concept of bots, there would be no tradewars anymore (or at least nobody playing it - like on her server). The very fact that you can gain an advantage through good strategy and by developing your own tools is what makes this game interesting. Take that away, and it's dead.

Author:  Shadow [ Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Cruncher wrote:
Hammer_2 wrote:
I have a more confusing question - Has anyone seen Cobra in a corp? or spoken to him?

Can't say I've tried to hard but he times I've attempted contact it's fallen on deaf ears.


I've tried as well. I've seen him playing on my server and have invited him to corp but never get a response.

I haven't played with or against him, is he any good?


He'd probably beat you. Which is more a reflection on your lack of skill than any skill he might have.

Author:  Cruncher [ Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Shadow wrote:

Speaking of which... this is where the Crunchers of the world get it the most wrong. If there were no twx, no concept of bots, there would be no tradewars anymore (or at least nobody playing it - like on her server). The very fact that you can gain an advantage through good strategy and by developing your own tools is what makes this game interesting. Take that away, and it's dead.


Yawn... broken record.

Believe it or not, there are people who don't want to learn TWXProxy and Mombot. So, they enjoy themselves on my server playing how they like.

Then, there are some who want to learn, and I bring them into my game P and teach them a few things before they venture out into the wild wild world of bot wars!

It's a steep learning curve not everyone is willing to invest the time into learning, so just let the noobs play they game they way they prefer.

Author:  Comet [ Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Shadow wrote:
Hammer_2 wrote:
Cruncher wrote:


I've tried as well. I've seen him playing on my server and have invited him to corp but never get a response.

I haven't played with or against him, is he any good?


Well, he's still playing 2000 TW, so he's going to struggle against a corp for starters and some of the bot kill commands.

So he's probably good if your playing stock without bots and it's a solo game.. but what games are like this?


More importantly, why WOULD you play like that?

Unless you're on Cruncher's server. Which, again, why would you be?

Cruncher's server is, and has been for years, a factory for cannon fodder in actual tradewars games (you know, the ones not on her server). She offers her own little Pleasantville, free of nasty ideas and nasty people and always sunny with rainbows and unicorns. Then, her little nooblings venture out into the real world and are promptly annihilated repeatedly until they give up.

To summarize that a little, Cruncher's server is why there are so few people playing tradewars anymore -- because people go and play in a nice safe little box, never learn any actual real world skills, and then get frustrated and quit.

When I first came back, I took my licks for a while (mostly from CBYnot) and it motivated me to try harder and get better. I got some advice from some sysops and better players, and eventually learned about the bot. You can all thank Xanos for that, believe it or not - I was in a random game where they needed an extra player and I had never used mombot, and he told me to download and install it if I was going to corp with them (just that one time), and life was forever altered.

Then I ran into Farley, and found my own whipping boy, which was fun. I mean, eventually you do get tired of killing Farley, but it's entertaining for a while.

Most of the other players that I play with and know who came back recently took a similar path. Get beat up, come back, find someone to teach you the ropes, get better, start beating up on other people. That's what tradewars is, fundamentally. And if you can actually write code, then you become a serious player.

Speaking of which... this is where the Crunchers of the world get it the most wrong. If there were no twx, no concept of bots, there would be no tradewars anymore (or at least nobody playing it - like on her server). The very fact that you can gain an advantage through good strategy and by developing your own tools is what makes this game interesting. Take that away, and it's dead.


HEY! I am playing on her server. Although I am just toying with a few of the newbies. I could easily end the game but it's actually fun to help them learn. Well at least what I know. Which isn't much but I can steer them away from a cannon :)

Author:  Cruncher [ Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Comet wrote:

HEY! I am playing on her server. Although I am just toying with a few of the newbies. I could easily end the game but it's actually fun to help them learn. Well at least what I know. Which isn't much but I can steer them away from a cannon :)


When you're ready to learn RED, wonder back into game P. :P

Author:  Comet [ Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Cruncher wrote:
Comet wrote:

HEY! I am playing on her server. Although I am just toying with a few of the newbies. I could easily end the game but it's actually fun to help them learn. Well at least what I know. Which isn't much but I can steer them away from a cannon :)


When you're ready to learn RED, wonder back into game P. :P



I know how to play red... It's easy to play red when megarob is available. Make one mobile planet up a bunch of ports buy them down worst price turn around and sell em. Then have your two peons aka tweedle dee and duh haul colos and build. That's game :)

Author:  Kane [ Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Cruncher wrote:
Comet wrote:

HEY! I am playing on her server. Although I am just toying with a few of the newbies. I could easily end the game but it's actually fun to help them learn. Well at least what I know. Which isn't much but I can steer them away from a cannon :)


When you're ready to learn RED, wonder back into game P. :P



As if playing RED is all that hard.... :roll:

Author:  Comet [ Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Kane wrote:
Cruncher wrote:
Comet wrote:

HEY! I am playing on her server. Although I am just toying with a few of the newbies. I could easily end the game but it's actually fun to help them learn. Well at least what I know. Which isn't much but I can steer them away from a cannon :)


When you're ready to learn RED, wonder back into game P. :P



As if playing RED is all that hard.... :roll:



From all the ship destroyed notifications i've seen of you in games apparently it is. Well for you and Crunch. Perhaps you two should team up and learn some tactics.

Author:  Cruncher [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Comet wrote:
Kane wrote:

As if playing RED is all that hard.... :roll:


From all the ship destroyed notifications i've seen of you in games apparently it is. Well for you and Crunch. Perhaps you two should team up and learn some tactics.


Blowing up ships is our tactic. Learn RED!

Author:  Comet [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Cruncher wrote:
Comet wrote:
Kane wrote:

As if playing RED is all that hard.... :roll:


From all the ship destroyed notifications i've seen of you in games apparently it is. Well for you and Crunch. Perhaps you two should team up and learn some tactics.


Blowing up ships is our tactic. Learn RED!



You mean let BooSDT blow ships up for you as you're sitting there watching the screen scroll? Yes, I have that SDT script and a few others. Thanks Xanos :)

Author:  Cruncher [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Comet wrote:

You mean let BooSDT blow ships up for you as you're sitting there watching the screen scroll? Yes, I have that SDT script and a few others. Thanks Xanos :)


No... learn to play RED in a stock, low turn limit, time limit game, solo!

Author:  Kane [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Comet wrote:
Kane wrote:
Cruncher wrote:
Comet wrote:

HEY! I am playing on her server. Although I am just toying with a few of the newbies. I could easily end the game but it's actually fun to help them learn. Well at least what I know. Which isn't much but I can steer them away from a cannon :)


When you're ready to learn RED, wonder back into game P. :P





As if playing RED is all that hard.... :roll:



From all the ship destroyed notifications i've seen of you in games apparently it is. Well for you and Crunch. Perhaps you two should team up and learn some tactics.


It happpens you have to blow up ships to FURB... Duh

Author:  Kane [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Cruncher wrote:
Comet wrote:

You mean let BooSDT blow ships up for you as you're sitting there watching the screen scroll? Yes, I have that SDT script and a few others. Thanks Xanos :)


No... learn to play RED in a stock, low turn limit, time limit game, solo!



Good lord that sounds boring, but interesting.

Author:  Shadow [ Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Cruncher wrote:
Then, there are some who want to learn, and I bring them into my game P and teach them a few things before they venture out into the wild wild world of bot wars!


What you meant to say was "bring them in to game P so they can see a sysop violate the most fundamental ethical rule of tradewars by playing on their own server!"

Author:  Cruncher [ Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Worst player in TW currently?

Shadow wrote:

What you meant to say was "bring them in to game P so they can see a sysop violate the most fundamental ethical rule of tradewars by playing on their own server!"


If you can't trust your corp mates why bother? It's only unethical if I get into tedit.

I'm sure some sysops might, but I'm not one of them.

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