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Author:  Mongoose [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Cloak failure on the first night
I read something somewhere (on NavHaz, I think) suggesting that there's a chance your cloak will fail immediately upon logging out, and you should have a corpmate check to make sure you cloaked successfully. I also seem to remember it being that way in the old days.

But the documentation for the cloak failure rate setting in TWGS says that cloaks are always 100% effective for the first 24 hours.

Which is it? Did it change at some point?
Author:  T0yman [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cloak failure on the first night
Mongoose wrote:
I read something somewhere (on NavHaz, I think) suggesting that there's a chance your cloak will fail immediately upon logging out, and you should have a corpmate check to make sure you cloaked successfully. I also seem to remember it being that way in the old days.

But the documentation for the cloak failure rate setting in TWGS says that cloaks are always 100% effective for the first 24 hours.

Which is it? Did it change at some point?

I have never seen a cloak fail, until Extern. Then it is based on % that is configured by the sysop. IIRC 3% is the default setting. But if I am on a corp I always have someone check ;)
Author:  Kavanagh [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cloak failure on the first night
T0yman wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
I read something somewhere (on NavHaz, I think) suggesting that there's a chance your cloak will fail immediately upon logging out, and you should have a corpmate check to make sure you cloaked successfully. I also seem to remember it being that way in the old days.

But the documentation for the cloak failure rate setting in TWGS says that cloaks are always 100% effective for the first 24 hours.

Which is it? Did it change at some point?

I have never seen a cloak fail, until Extern. Then it is based on % that is configured by the sysop. IIRC 3% is the default setting. But if I am on a corp I always have someone check ;)


It used fail to take, as opposed to fail at extern, in early day TWGS. I can remember towing red corpies to fed after they cloaked and then checking - 95% of the time they remained cloaked, but now and then the cloak failed during/immediately after the tow. Up to 2002/2003 or so. Cowboy and Adomma were paranoid about it, with justification. We always confirmed via ICQ
Author:  T0yman [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cloak failure on the first night
Kavanagh wrote:
It used fail to take, as opposed to fail at extern, in early day TWGS. I can remember towing red corpies to fed after they cloaked and then checking - 95% of the time they remained cloaked, but now and then the cloak failed during/immediately after the tow. Up to 2002/2003 or so. Cowboy and Adomma were paranoid about it, with justification. We always confirmed via ICQ

Thanks Kav, never knew that. Was that the HVS version?
Author:  Mongoose [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cloak failure on the first night
I've never had a cloak fail at logout, either. I wonder if immediate cloak failure was a bug that only affected earlier versions of TW or TWGS.

If the configured cloak failure chance is applied at logout, then with 100% cloak failure, cloaks would fail 100% of the time on logout. And they do not. So if cloaks can fail at logout, then it is a bug that has no obvious relationship to the cloak fail rate.
Author:  T0yman [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cloak failure on the first night
Mongoose wrote:
I've never had a cloak fail at logout, either. I wonder if immediate cloak failure was a bug that only affected earlier versions of TW or TWGS.

If the configured cloak failure chance is applied at logout, then with 100% cloak failure, cloaks would fail 100% of the time on logout. And they do not. So if cloaks can fail at logout, then it is a bug that has no obvious relationship to the cloak fail rate.

My understanding in the 1.03 through new version is that cloaks only fail at Extern. If you see something other I guess I would ask JP, but this was documented on navhaz IIRC. Somewhere in the sequence of events for what takes place and in what order during extern.
Author:  Master Blaster [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cloak failure on the first night
I remember cloaks failing immediately but that was a long time ago and I couldn't tell you which versions (probably the old MBBS versions). I haven't had one fail in a long time.

But then again, unless someone checks it for you, how would you know it failed? It may have failed a lot, just no one found you.
Author:  Mongoose [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cloak failure on the first night
Master Blaster wrote:
But then again, unless someone checks it for you, how would you know it failed? It may have failed a lot, just no one found you.


Because if it didn't fail, it will say "cloaking device disengaging" the next time you log in...
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